14:00 Sat 08 Mar 2008				REF: KSAMMED1

DATE:	Fri 07 Mar 2008		TIME:	PLAN    17:30-18:30
					ACTUAL 	17:30-19:00 
					Extended to discuss Council Mtg 04 Mar 2008
 
VENUE:	Mosman RSC		ATTENDEES:
	MOSMAN	2088			Rod WESTON [RDW]
					Pim RAVESTJIN [WPR]
					Ivan BAHNIK [IGB]
					Bill HOSKINS [WRH] 	
					Michael CLEAR [MJC]
					Peter AXTENS [PMA]
AGENDA					Stephen GOULD [SGG]
A	Confirm draft record 
B	Confirm no audit by Pittwater Council
C	Invoice Council for Research Time & Costs
E	Review Plan 2008 Work Group Reports
F	Background concerns re SHOROC Kimbriki Company plan
G	Other Councils & CDSE Applications
H	Review Council agenda attachments - Additonal Sports Levies
I	Mosman Mayor re Code of Meeting Practice
J	Two Replies to response from NSW Minister Local Government
K	Invite to Shadow Minister for Families for 04 Mar 2008
L	Incident involving Mosman Councillor
M	Report SHOROC-Mosman Traffic Strategy
N	COUNCIL'S RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS MEETING TUE 04 MAR 2008
O	Review draft reply from OIC to Banking Ombudsman
P	REVIEW MOSMAN COUNCIL ON-LINE POLICY DOCUMENTS
Q	REVIEW MOSMAN COUNCIL ON-LINE FORMS
X	OIC IE Event Credit System
Z	Next Steps - Agenda Technical Meet 2 17:30 Fri 14 Mar 2008

A	CONFIRM DRAFT RECORD - No changes

KSAS-2088 has established a Sustainability Action Network [SAN] to 
understand the issues involved with Ground remediation, Water Management
and Carbon offsets for Playing Field Floodlights and Parents' travel 
offsets to training & games.

All	Meeting Agreed important reason and to include the OIC 
	Management Volunteer Credit Accounting as part of the Committee
	Management Process

All	Proposed extension scope agreed - thanks to Adelle, Colin and 
	Tim for new web-site for Sustainability issues
	http://www.ksas-au.net/SAN 

B	RESPONSE CONFIRMS NO AUDIT BY PITTWATER COUNCIL

SGG	A response was received from Pittwater Council on 14 Feb that confirm
	that the Council does not conduct any audits of Junior Sports Clubs
	Child Protection records

SGG	Confirmation of our understanding was requested

C	INVOICE COUNCIL FOR PARENT TIME

PMA	The Council is trying to avoid its responsibilities and we have
	to let the Law decide hence we can either issue a summons to explain
	with the damage caused or issue an invoice for our time and costs.

	My recommendation is that we issue an invoice with our time costed
	at a Council's Volunteer rate $ 29.29/hr

	The invoice should be delivered at the next Council meeting with
	a payment date before the end of the month.	

	The meeting agreed that an Invoice would be prepared and delivered
	to Council on Tue 05 Feb 2007.

D	PRESENTATION TO COUNCILS

SGG	A web-presentation for Councils to understand the Child Protection
	concerns and how the "Junior Sports Information Service [JSIS]" 
	and "Kids Safe-at-Sport [KSAS-Au]" have been developed to address 
	the concerns.

	This can be reviewed on Presentation for Councils

E	REVIEW PLAN 2008 WORK GROUP REPORTS

a	Link exercise equipment to generators

Chair		MJC			Notary	WRH
Obj: 	To Research if bicycles linked to Generators before
NxS:	Report Meet 2 M 2007/12/03

MJC	1	Confirmed worked successfully many times before.

	2	Bank of 6, 12 and 24 cycles for pilot to gauge electricity

	3	Suggest involve local Police/Youth Clubs so equipment secure

b	Carbon Offset Electricity RECs records

Chair		PMA			Notary	SGG
Obj: 	To record how RECS will be records & updated
NxS:	Report Meet 2 M 2007/12/03

PMA	1	Proposed Mosman RECs registry could be on Mosman RSC web-site
		so that a Mosman RSC Committee can verify the Records are 
		accurate

	2	If REC sites at schools, council, gyms and police clubs then 
		there would be secure sites

	3	Log on facility based on home property number

c	"Mosman Money" as part of Local Information Economy
  
Chair		SGG			Notary	MJC
Obj: 	To record how Volunteer Credits can be accrued
NxS:	Report Meet 4 M 2007/12/10

SGG	1	Discussed with Mosman RSC Director

	2	Detail to be included in CDSE submission

d	Organise 12 events at Mosman RSC

Chair		WRH	(A)		Notary	PMA
Obj: To propose dates 12 events
NxS:	Report Meet 4 M 2007/12/10

D	PROPOSED DATES FOR SEMINARS

Proposed Dates:	Jan	Thu 24 Jan 2008		19:00 - 20:00
		Feb	Thu 21 Feb 2008		19:00 - 20:00
		Mar	Thu 20 Mar 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Apr	Thu 24 Apr 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		May	Thu 22 May 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Jun	Thu 19 Jun 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Jul	Thu 24 Jul 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Aug	Thu 21 Aug 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Sep	Thu 25 Sep 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Oct	Thu 23 Oct 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Nov	Thu 20 Nov 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Dec	Thu 18 Dec 2008 	19:00 - 20:00

	Dates appear to be OK  - email Mosman RSC to see if rooms 
	are available

F	RESEARCH BACKGROUND SHOROC KIMBRIKI COMPANY PLAN

This is a summary of issues discussed on the possible reasons 
behind why "Inventing The Australian Model of Government" Seminars
were sponsored by Andersen Consulting in 1993.

This new Model of Government appears to be based on the use of Electronic 
Share trading and "Market Based Instruments [MBIs] for all natural 
Resources" ref Tender Dep Agriculture Tender 20 Jan 2006

(These concerns were not dispelled by the press article 23 Jan 2008 that
a former NSW Premier was appointed Director of a Company in 2006 
and subsequently sold the shares 12 months later for $ 16,000,000.)

There are concerns that many Local Government Councillors are aware
of the "Inventing the Australian Model of Government" policy with
the justification of Share Trading as a natural "entitlement" for 
Councillors.
eg proposed Kimbriki Council Company with 51% Shares controlled by 
the Administrator of Warringah Council.

SGG explained that between 1991-1993 he was involved with Paul 
JENKINS in trying to establish "Computer Camps for Disadvantaged
Children" at a number of UK Universities during the 10 wk UK Summer 
Holidays.

There are been a number of meetings with different Universities
including Liverpool University, Liverpool Polytechnic and the 
Liverpool Council Education Committee.

The Archbishop of Liverpool and the Bishop of Liverpool via Canon
David WOODHOUSE were both very supportive but several members of 
the Education Committee refused to meet to discuss the Computer
Camps and the Liverpool Council Education Policy.

Later that year 1992 Peter JONES [PJ] at the London School of
Economics and Political Science [LSE] explained the importance of  
Education Policy and how Share Trading and Share Capital was used 
to by-pass Financial Regulations

A	1533	Religion and Education Policy
B	1651	The First Commonwealth
C	1670	The East India Company
D	1688	The Glorious Revolution
E	1692	Subduing the Scots
F	1694	Scotland and the Darien Expedition
G	1707	Scotland and the Union of Parliaments
H	1720	South Sea Bubble Act 
I	1812	Saving the English Stockmarket from Bankruptcy 
J	1989	State Owned Corporations [SoC] Act
K	1993	Local Government Act
L	2000	Electronic Transaction Act and the new Economics

1989	NSW State introduces State Owned Corporations Act

This Act enables the NSW Government to establish Public
Organisations as "State owned Corporations [SoC]" with the 
Premier and Ministers as the shareholders.

The Companies can either be

1	"Company SoC" with the Treasurer and 4 other ministers 
	as shareholders - the Constitution is within the meaning 
	of the Corporations Act 2001 

2	"Statutory SoC" with the Treasurer and 1 other minister 
	as shareholders - THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION FOR
	A STATUTORY SOC - THE WEB PAGES JUST LINK IN A CIRCLE

1993	Local Government Act

The NSW Government  changes its Local Government Act so Councils
become Statutory SOCs

2000	NSW Electronic Transaction Act and the new Economics

Each State introduces its own Electronic Transaction Act

Electronic Trading without having to pay staff is born !

In the US over 80% of Stock Market Share Bids are electronic 
which has created enormous unemployment for on-floor brokers.

In Australia, some State Organisations Bid electronically every 
15 minutes for Electricity.
Eg Central Queensland University Tender 05 Apr 2006

The MBIs {Market Based Instruments} for Natural Resources
like Electricity, Water, Carbon, Sewerage and Volunteers etc
will provide large and regular electronic trading fluctuations.

The Government will receive the GST on each trade.

However who will set the price for Electricity, Carbon, Water, 
Sewerage and Volunteers etc  ?

Is it the Idependent Pricing and Regulation Tribunal ?

Is this why the NSW State Government is now selling off
the Electricity Companies so that the Government will
no longer be responsible for "Market Forces" ?

G	OTHER COUNCILS & CDSE GRANT APPLICATION

a	KSAS-2088 Applications for a Community Development and Support 
	Expenditure Grant [CDSE] to initially fund the awareness campaign 
	in 2008.

	The meeting confirmed 2 separate CDSE Applications
	
	1 	Mosman RSC - Technical Feasibility Study
	2 	Mosman Council - Community Awareness Program

b	Another SHOROC council has requested a paper and invited KSAS-Au
	to give a presentation to the Council

c	Another Sydney Council has invited KSAS-Au to make a submission
	for CDSE and Community funds in 2008

H	REVIEW COUNCIL AGENDA TUE 05 FEB 2008 - 5 ITEMS OF INTEREST

AER and CRS had completed the initial Mosman Council Contact Website.

This website would provide a record of the questions asked of each 
councillor

SGG and WPR attended the Council meeting and handed the Draft Invoice with
an extract from a Council Policy that the Council Insurance for Volunteers
was dependent on the Criminal Records checks taking place before Volunteers
start any job involved with Children to the General Manager during Question 
Time.

SGG explained that the invoice was for the Parents' research and explanation
time and costs for the issues of great concern to KSAS-2088 Parents with 
response required by Fri 22 Feb 2008

The Deputy Mayor was in the chair and invited the General Manager to 
respond.

The General Manager said that the Council had received legal advice that
they were not liable for any duty of care issues.

SGG and WPR left the Council Chamber with a copy of the Agenda.

That Agenda has 5 items of interest to KSAS-2088 members

1	GM/1 - Promoting Better Practice

	This item explains that the Mosman Council has NOT complied with
	the 28 Nov 2005 Local Government report in providing  "Council 
	should arrange a workshop for ALL Councillors on their roles 
	and functions".

The plan is to have the Workshop AFTER the Sep 2008 elections

2	GM/2 - Constitutional Referendum - 

	This is Referendum during the Sep 2008 to change the number of
	Councillors and how the Mayor is elected

3	GM/4 - SHOROC Board Meeting Minutes 12 December 2007

	Although the Agenda states that the Attachments would include
	the minutes (20 pages) , there were no attachments (115 pages)
	included with the 90 page Agenda

	SGG to contact Council to collect a copy of the Attachments

	12 Feb 2008 SGG collected copy SHOROC Board Meeting that confirms 
	5.5 Sportsground Management will require additional levies 

	1	the fee structure to have a fee for seniors and lower 
		fee for juniors per season
	2	there will be a school hire charge per hour
	3	the sports pay their electricity costs directly
	4	that additional revenues generated be used to improve
		maintenance on existing sports facilities
	5	that the Councils undertake the allocation of sports
	6	that there be an increase in the down period to allow
		Councils to adequately maintain and prepare grounds

	The Sports Unions agree to assist Councils on these objectives.

	
4	CD/2 -  Shorelink Library Network Committee

	There were no attachments (5 pages)

	SGG to contact Council to collect a copy of the Attachments

5	CS/1 - Investment Policy and Investments

	The summary stated that "Council's average total MONTHLY
	investment in 2006/2007 was $ 4.971 Million"

	However the 5 pages of investments was not attached

	SGG to contact Council to collect a copy of the Attachments

	The 5 pages of investment confirm that Mosman Council has
	approximately $ 55,000,000 of investments providing a return
	of around$ 3,799,832 per annum.

6	EP/1 - Outdoor Gym Equipment

	This confirms that the Council will be updating its
	Outdoor Gym Equipment

	SGG said this is an opportunity for the Council to be
	innovative and see if the Exercise Equipment can be
	link to generators to produce Electricity

7	EP/2 - Mosman Local Environmental Plan 2007

	The Mosman LEP has to be revised to accommodate a new
	"Standard Instrument (Local Environmental Plans) 
	Amendment Order 2007 (the SI Amendment Order) gazetted on
	14 Dec 2007

	The SI Amendment Order has included 38 new definitions 
	(primarily land use terms) in the Standard Instrument 
	Dictionary

	All definitions expressed in the Standard Instrument Dictionary
	must now be included in the draft MLEP 2007, regardless of
	whether the term is relevant in Mosman".

8	EP/8 - Waste Management - Review of Bin Sizes

	This is a review of the minimum bin size and new charging
	structure.

	The State Government has set Mosman a target of recovering 
	66% of its recyclables from its waste stream.

	Currently only 47.6% is recovered as the SHOROC Waste Audit 
	found that there are still 28% of materials in the Mosman
	Waste bins that could be recycled.

	Further programmes need to be introduced to improve waste 
	minimisation and drive further increases in recycling as 
	"Landfill prices for waste disposal are rising steeply
	each year.

	The Waste and Environment Levy (per Tonne) has been increased
	from 2006/07 $ 30.40 to 2007/08 $ 38.60

	The Landfill Cost (per Tonne) including Waste Levy has increased
	from 2006/07 $ 97.61 to 2007/08 $ 110.10.

	Mosman produced 6,351.92 Landfill Tonnes in 2006/07 costing
	$ 620,011.

 	There will be an educational campaign which includes sending out
	Letters to all residents and property owners.

	Residents will be required to respond to this letter".

	SGG proposed that this educational message could be included
	as part of the KSAS-2008 system and encourage people to respond
	electronically.

I	RESPONSE TO MOSMAN MAYOR RE CODE OF PRACTICE 21 DEC 2007

A letter dated Wed 21 Dec 2007 had been received on Fri 23 Dec 2007 from 
the Mayor Mosman Council re Mosman Code of Meeting Practice.

The response was agreed by attendes on Fri 11 Jan 2007  

J	TWO REPLIES TO RESPONSE FROM NSW DEP LOCAL GOVERNMENT

29 Feb 2008

SGG provided copies of two letters in response to the reply from for 
the NSW Department for Local Government.

2	27 Feb 2008	Letter to Minister
	Has DLG been negligent on Councillor Training ?

1	24 Feb 2008	Response to Director General 
	Has your department complied with the Law ?

The Committee reviewed and enhanced the letter which was to be faxed
to the Minister and Federal and State Government Members of Parliament
by 17:00 Mon 21 Jan 2008.


On Mon 18 Feb 2008 a response to the letter to the Minister was received from
Garry PAYNE Director General of the Department of Local Government.

This letter happened to co-incide with:

1	an investigation by the NSW Independent Commission Against 
	Corruption [ICAC] into the Council and Councillors involved
	with Wollongong Council 

2	confirmation by Mosman Council that the Council had not given
	a workshop on Councillor responsibilities

3	an admission by the NSW Department of Local Government [DLG] that
	it was not going to follow up on the Councillor Training Workshop

A letter was approved as a reponse to the letter from Garry PAYNE

18 Jan 2008

SGG provided a draft letter for the NSW Minister for Local Government the 
Hon Paul LYNCH.

The Committee reviewed and enhanced the letter which was to be faxed
to the Minister and Federal and State Government Members of Parliament
by 17:00 Mon 21 Jan 2008.

K	CONFIRM DETAILS SHAWDOW MINISTER FOR FAMILIES FOR TUE 04 MAR 2008

SGG provided an copy of the invitation for the Federal Member of Parliament for 
Warringah the Hon Tony ABBOTT MP Shadow Minister for Families, Community
Services, Indigenous Affairs and the Voluntary Sector to attend Mosman
Council meeting Tue 04 Mar 2008.

The Committee reviewed and confirmed the letter was suitable 
and agreed to confirm questions for the Council Meeting Tue 04 Mar 2008.

L	INCIDENT INVOLVING MOSMAN COUNCILLOR

On Wed 13 Feb 2008 Mike CLEAR, Peter AXTENS and Stephen COULD were reviewing the
the Council Minute attachments collected from the Council Chambers.

These attachments were not handed out at the Council meeting nor available on
the Council Website or from the Council Chambers.

These attachments are only available in the library for review.

Councillor MENZIES approached the table where KSAS-2088 members were sitting
and made a number of loud Statements which were not considered by those
that heard them as appropriate comments by an elected Councillor.

Stephen GOULD made a Statutory Declaration about the incident and sent
a copy to the Mayor 

M	REPORT SHOROC-MOSMAN TRAFFIC STRATEGY

SGG attended a special Council meeting on Tue 26 Feb 2008 from 19:00 - 21:15

The meeting had been organised by SHOROC for Mosman Councillors to
review the State Government Sub-regional strategy for Housing, Employment
and Transport.

This meeting was to review the "wish-list" Mosman Councillors had
provided 12 months ago as part of the Research commissioned by SHOROC.

N	QUESTIONS COUNCIL MEETING TUE 04 MAR 2008

SGG reported on the Council Meeting Tue 04 Mar 2008

On Sun 02 Mar the 5 questions were faxed to the Council

On Mon 03 Mar the Support for Cr MENZIES "Duty of Care-Playgrounds" was uploaded

On Tue 04 Mar the Question from the Council Floor was emailed

Unfortunately on Tue 04 Mar 2008 the Council would not let KSAS-2088
address Council.

Please review the Statutory Declaration which has been witnessed by 
David KELLY

On Wed 05 Mar 2008 MJC and I faxed the documents to Council and
local MPs  - review Statutory Declaration

The following questions were agreed for the Council Meeting Tue
04 Mar 2008.

A	Questions for Council Meeting Tue 04 Mar 2008
	1	What response from MSAG on Mercury & Phosphorus disposal ?
	2	What is Council's Duty of Care to Children Policy?
	3	Why Council Duty of Care for Playgrounds but not Legislation ?
	4	Why MSAG Meeting minutes 07 feb 2008 not on Council website ?
	5	Community Market Research on use of Mosman Public Transport ? 

1	WHAT RESPONSE FROM MSAG ON MERCURY & PHOSPHORUS DISPOSAL ?

RDW	Has a response been received from the Mosman Sustainability 
	Advisory Group [MSAG] to the question posed by Cr Jim REID 
	on 24 Aug 2007 ?

	That question was seeking advice on disposal of the energy 
	efficient light bulbs and neon lights which contain Mercury 
	and Phosphorus {Att A - Question Cr REID to MSAG}

2	WHAT IS COUNCIL'S DUTY OF CARE TO CHILDREN POLICY ?

PMA	We note with interest that Cr Simon MENZIES has proposed that 
	Mosman Council has "a Duty of Care to install a Child Safety 
	fence at Memorial Park Children's Playground urgently" ! 
	(MOSPLAN 6.02.02)

	On behalf of Kids Safe-at-Sport it would be enormous value 
	to us and the Community if the Council outline its parameters
	for its Duty of Care in Children's Sport performed under
	the NSW Child Protection Legislation and on the Council's
	Sporting Fields.

	Would it be possible to receive by Fri 14 Mar 2008 that Duty 
	of Care outline that supports Cr MENZIES application ?

In answer to the General Manager's letters 06 Feb and 25 Feb, Peter 
AXTENS LLb (Lawyer) has been advising the Kids Safe-at-Sport Network
on Council's legal compliance issues.

3	WHY COUNCIL DUTY OF CARE FOR PLAYGROUNDS BUT NOT LEGISLATION ?

MJC	According to Cr Simon MENZIES Notice of Motion for
	Council meeting on Tue 04 Mar 2008 {Att B}: 

	"In November 2007 I submitted a QWN, following representations
	from concerned parents, about the low height of the gate and 
	fence at this popular children's playground. 

	Consequently two safety gates were installed but staff determined
	that a child safety fence was not required.

	There is no rule that says Council must provide child safety fences 
	surrounding Children's playgrounds.

	It is my view that Council has a duty of care in this instance to 
	install a safety fence at this location."

	If Cr MENZIES believes Council has a Duty of Care for Children
	for a safety fence then surely the Council has a Duty of Care
	to ensure that the NSW Child Protection legislation is audited
	in Junior Sports Clubs ?

4	WHY MSAG MEETING MINUTES 07 FEB 2008 NOT ON COUNCIL WEBSITE ?

WPR	Why are the minutes of the Mosman Sustainability Advisory
	Group [MSAG] meeting on the 07 Feb 2008 not on the Mosman 
	Council's Web Site ?

5	COMMUNITY MARKET RESEARCH ON USE OF MOSMAN PUBLIC TRANSPORT ?

SGG	Would Mosman Council agree to qualified market researchers 
	conducting a survey into what factors would influence Mosman 
	Ratepayers into using Public Transport as part of the Mosman 
	Sustainability strategy "Encouraging community to take Public 
	Transport" ?

O	REVIEW DRAFT REPLY FROM OIC TO BANKING OMBUDSMAN

PMA and SGG had been reviewing a letter from the Banking and 
Financial Services Ombudsman [BFSO] about the closure of the OIC
bank account by Comonwealth Bank.

PMA and SGG brief the meeting and the meeting reviewed the response and 
agreed that it was acceptable

P	REVIEW MOSMAN COUNCIL ONLINE POLICY DOCUMENTS

Mosman Council has 79 Policy documents listed on its web-site

These Policy documents are

1	not Online documents but pdf files that are not interactive or
	online

2	not structured by division but are in alphabetical order

3	not linked to appropriate complaint/registration forms

Q	REVIEW MOSMAN COUNCIL ONLINE FORMS

Mosman Council has 66 forms available to download and print

These forms are structured by division:

A	Children's Services				8
B	Council Records					2
C	Construction/Works/Roadway Occupation		7
D	Development Applications			4
E	Building and Development			7
F	Fire Safety Requirements			3
G	General						7
H	Mosman Village Art & Craft Markets		1
I	Parking						2
J	Recreation & Culture				2
K	Special Events					5
L	Trees						2
M	Use of Council Land for Functions/Events	8
N	Waste & Recycling				8
								
					TOTAL		66

MANY OF THESE FORMS HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT ADDRESS DETAIL
FORMAT ! - hence the importance of the Australian Standard Name and
Address AS4590 format for Web applications 

Currently each Parent or Ratepayer has to:

1	download the form

2	print it out

3	complete the form with name and address details

4	some forms require credit card or cheque payment

5	fax or post the completed form back

6	wait a number of days to receive a receipt

7	wait a number of days to receive confirmation by mail

THIS IS NOT AN ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM BUT ADDING UNNECESSARY
COST BOTH THE PARENT/RATEPAYER AND COUNCIL 

The details from the form have to be entered into the
Council Computer System hence there will be many input errors !

X	OIC IE EVENT CREDITS SYSTEM - MEET 12

STAGE: ACTION MEETING 5

Link to Credits Codes

	MAT	RPT	TET	ART	EAT	FET	MDT	ERT	TOTAL
RDW		10	10	10	10	10	10	10	 70
WPR		10	10	10	10	10	10	10	 70
IGB		10	10	10	10	10	10	10	 70
WRH		10	10	10	10	10	10	10	 70
MJC		10	10	10	20	10	10	10	 70
PMA		10	10	10	20	10	10	10	 70
SGG	40	20	10	10	20	10	40		150

Z	NEXT STEPS

DATE:	Fri 07 Mar 2008		TIME:	17:30 - 18:30

VENUE:	Mosman RSC		STAGE:	Action Plans

	AGENDA							WHO
A	Review Mosman Council meeting 04 Mar 2008		RDS/WPR/IGB/BGH/WRH/CMC/PMA/SGG
B	Review Mosman Child Protection Policy		All
C	Review Mosman Forms	 				All

DATE:	Fri 14 Mar 2008		TIME:	17:30 - 18:30

VENUE:	Mosman RSC