11:00 Sat 12 Jan 2008				REF: KSAMMDD1

DATE:	Fri 11 Jan 2008		TIME:	PLAN    17:30-18:30
					ACTUAL 	17:30-18:30 

VENUE:	Mosman RSC		ATTENDEES:
	MOSMAN	2088			Pim RAVESTJIN [WPR]
					Ivan BAHNIK [IGB]
					Bill HOSKINS [WRH] 	
					Michael CLEAR [MJC]
					Peter AXTENS [PMA]
AGENDA					Stephen GOULD [SGG]
A	Confirm draft record 
B	No confirmation from Pittwater Council
C	Review Letter Mosman General Manager re Child Protection
E	Review Plan 2008 Work Group Reports
F	Follow-up SHOROC Kimbriki Company plan
G	Other Councils & CDSE Applications
H	MOSMAN COUNCIL CONTACT DETAILS WEBSITE
I	LETTER FROM MOSMAN MAYOR RE CODE OF PRACTICE
X	OIC IE Event Credit System
Z	Next Steps - Agenda Action Meet 2 17:30 Fri 18 Jan 2008

A	CONFIRM DRAFT RECORD - No changes

KSAS-2088 has established a Carbon-Offsets project team to understand 
the issues involved with Carbon offsets for Playing Field Floodlights 
and Parents' travel offsets to training & games.

All	Meeting Agreed important reason and to include the OIC 
	Management Volunteer Credit Accounting as part of the Committee
	Management Process

All	Proposed extension scope agreed - thanks to Adelle, Colin and 
	Tim for new web-site for Sustainability issues
	http://www.ksas-au.net/SAN 

B	REVIEW RESPONSE PITTWATER COUNCIL MEETING

SGG	AS AT 17:00 FRI 04 JAN 2008 NO RESPONSE FROM PITTWATER COUNCIL

SGG	We attended the Pittwater Council meeting on Mon 17 Dec 2007 to ask 
	a question about whether Pittwater Council Policy was the same as 
	the Manly and Mosman Council Policy on the Child Protection issue.

	The response from the General Manager Mark FERGUSON was "Pittwater 
	is discussing a number of Sporting Initiatives with Manly and 
	Warringah Councils".

	An email was sent to the General manager requesting him to confirm
	our understanding of his response.   

	A response had not been received and as 12:00 Fri 28 Dec 2007
	the minutes had not been posted on the Council Website

C	REVIEW LTR MOSMAN GENERAL MANAGER RE CHILD PROTECTION

SGG	Further to the KSAS-2088 meeting 14 Dec 2007 a draft Letter has 
	been prepared

	This letter compared the correspondence from the NSW Minister
	for Sport and the NSW Local Government Association with the
	letter received from the Mosman General Manager.

	Both letters from the Minister and the NSWLGA confirmed that
	the Council was responsible for Duty of Care issues on Child
	Protection
	
The meeting agreed that the letter was suitable and should be sent
on Mon 31 Dec 2007.

D	PRESENTATION TO COUNCILS

SGG	A web-presentation for Councils to understand the Child Protection
	concerns and how the "Junior Sports Information Service [JSIS]" 
	and "Kids Safe-at-Sport [KSAS-Au]" have been developed to address 
	the concerns.

	This can be reviewed on Presentation for Councils

E	REVIEW PLAN 2008 WORK GROUP REPORTS

a	Link exercise equipment to generators

Chair		MJC			Notary	WRH
Obj: 	To Research if bicycles linked to Generators before
NxS:	Report Meet 2 M 2007/12/03

MJC	1	Confirmed worked successfully many times before.

	2	Bank of 6, 12 and 24 cycles for pilot to gauge electricity

	3	Suggest involve local Police/Youth Clubs so equipment secure

b	Carbon Offset Electricity RECs records

Chair		PMA			Notary	SGG
Obj: 	To record how RECS will be records & updated
NxS:	Report Meet 2 M 2007/12/03

PMA	1	Proposed Mosman RECs registry could be on Mosman RSC web-site
		so that a Mosman RSC Committee can verify the Records are 
		accurate

	2	If REC sites at schools, council, gyms and police clubs then 
		there would be secure sites

	3	Log on facility based on home property number

c	"Mosman Money" as part of Local Information Economy
  
Chair		SGG			Notary	MJC
Obj: 	To record how Volunteer Credits can be accrued
NxS:	Report Meet 4 M 2007/12/10

SGG	1	Discussed with Mosman RSC Director

	2	Detail to be included in CDSE submission

d	Organise 12 events at Mosman RSC

Chair		WRH	(A)		Notary	PMA
Obj: To propose dates 12 events
NxS:	Report Meet 4 M 2007/12/10

D	PROPOSED DATES FOR SEMINARS

Proposed Dates:	Jan	Thu 24 Jan 2008		19:00 - 20:00
		Feb	Thu 21 Feb 2008		19:00 - 20:00
		Mar	Thu 20 Mar 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Apr	Thu 24 Apr 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		May	Thu 22 May 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Jun	Thu 19 Jun 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Jul	Thu 24 Jul 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Aug	Thu 21 Aug 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Sep	Thu 25 Sep 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Oct	Thu 23 Oct 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Nov	Thu 20 Nov 2008 	19:00 - 20:00
		Dec	Thu 18 Dec 2008 	19:00 - 20:00

	Dates appear to be OK  - email Mosman RSC to see if rooms 
	are available

F	FOLLOW-UP SHOROC KIMBRIKI COMPANY PLAN

This is a summary of issues discussed on the possible reasons 
behind why "Inventing The Australian Model of Government" Seminars
were sponsored by Andersen Consulting in 1993.

This new Model of Government appears to be based on the use of Electronic 
Share trading and "Market Based Instruments [MBIs] for all natural 
Resources" ref Tender Dep Agriculture Tender 20 Jan 2006

These concerns were not dispelled by the press article 23 Jan 2008 that
a former NSW Premier was appointed Director of a Company in 2006 
and subsequently sold the shares 12 months later for $ 16,000,000.

There are concerns that many Local Government Councillors are aware
of the "Inventing the Australian Model of Government" policy with
the justification of Share Trading as a natural "entitlement" for 
Councillors.
eg proposed Kimbriki Council Company with 51% Shares controlled by 
the Administrator of Warringah Council.

SGG explained that between 1991-1993 he was involved with Paul 
JENKINS in trying to establish "Computer Camps for Disadvantaged
Children" at a number of UK Universities during the 10 wk UK Summer 
Holidays.

There are been a number of meetings with different Universities
including Liverpool University, Liverpool Polytechnic and the 
Liverpool Council Education Committee.

The Archbishop of Liverpool and the Bishop of Liverpool via Canon
David WOODHOUSE were both very supportive but several members of 
the Education Committee refused to meet to discuss the Computer
Camps and the Liverpool Council Education Policy.

Later that year 1992 Peter JONES [PJ] at the London School of
Economics and Political Science [LSE] explained the importance of  
Education Policy and how Share Trading and Share Capital was used 
to by-pass Financial Regulations

A	1533	Religion and Education Policy
B	1651	The First Commonwealth
C	1670	The East India Company
D	1688	The Glorious Revolution
E	1692	Subduing the Scots
F	1694	Scotland and the Darien Expedition
G	1707	Scotland and the Union of Parliaments
H	1720	South Sea Bubble Act 
I	1812	Saving the English Stockmarket from Bankruptcy 
J	1989	State Owned Corporations [SoC] Act
K	1993	Local Government Act
L	2000	Electronic Transaction Act and the new Economics

1	1533	Religion and Education Policy

PJ explained that while many people believed that Henry VIII established 
the Church of England in 1533 so that he could obtain a divorce from 
Catherine of Aragon (Spain) there were indeed several other reasons.

In fact many people consider the main reason why Henry VIII set up
the Church of England was because the Roman Catholic Church owned 
much of the Land and levied high charges on the local population
for weddings, christenings and funerals, to fund their exclusive 
rights for educating the masses.

There was one child, Mary I (TUDOR), from the first Marriage of Henry 
VIII and she was brought up as a staunch Roman Catholic.

Henry VIII then married Anne BOLEYN and had a daughter Elizabeth I 
who was brought up as a Church of England Protestant

Henry VIII's third wife Jane SEYMOUR produced a male heir Edward VI 
who was also brought up as a Church of England Protestant.

Edward VI ruled as a Church of England Protestant for 6 years until
he died in 1553.

Edward was succeeded by his half-sister Mary I who ruled as a Catholic
Queen for 5 years.

Elizabeth I succeeded Mary as a Church of England Protestant Queen
from 1558 - 1603 (45 years) 

Thus Religion had an enormous impact on Education Policy in the 
Middle Ages.

After Elizabeth died this bought about the Treaty of Crowns between 
England and Scotland when James VI of Scotland became James I of 
England.

As Elizabeth was childless the succession passed to the male
heirs of Henry VIII's elder sister Margaret TUDOR.

James I of England although a Church of England Protestant was 
succeeded in 1625 by his son Charles I who had married a Catholic 
Princess.

Charles I famously engaged in a struggle for power with the 
Parliament of England. 

He was an advocate of the Divine Right of Kings, and many in England
feared that he was attempting to gain absolute power. 

Many of his actions, particularly the levying of taxes without 
Parliament's consent, caused widespread opposition.

1651	The First Commonwealth

In 1642 Oliver CROMWELL started a series of conflicts known as the
English Civil War (1642-1651)which left to the ousting of the 
Monarchy and the first Commonwealth of England.

In 1656 the Jews of Amsterdam approached Oliver CROMWELL as the 
Lord Protector to be allowed to return to England after 300
years banishment when Edward I (Longshanks) had banned usury 
in England in 1290 

CROMWELL would not allow the Jews to return hence the Portuguese
Jews (these are the people that established the School of
Navigation at Sagres in Portugal for Henry the Navigator) funded
the return of Charles II.

The School of Navigation was based on the work of Abraham Cresques, a 
Jewish cartographer of Majorca who was succeeded in this profession
by his son Jefuda. 

By 1375 Abraham Cresques had drawn a beautiful mappamundi of 12 
folding leaves that is customarily called "the Catalan Atlas".

Hence that is why Portugal is England's oldest ally and why Rear
Admiral Phillips, who led the First Fleet to Australia, was seconded
to the Portugese Navy for 3 years.

Rear-Admiral PHILLIPS stopped at Rio-de Janeiro with the First Fleet 
for one month where he met with the Portuguese Royal Family who were
based in Brazil rather than Portugal.

"Rats and parasites such as bedbugs, lice, cockroaches and fleas,
tormented the convicts and because of this on 5 August the fleet 
reached Rio de Janeiro and stayed for a month. 

The ships were cleaned and water taken on board, repairs were made,
and Phillip ordered large quantities of food for the fleet.

The women convicts’ clothing, which had become infested with lice, 
was burned, and the women were issued with new clothes made from
rice sacks. 

The fleet left Rio on 3 September this was the last port of call, so
the main task was to stock up on plants, seeds and livestock for their 
arrival in Australia".

(ref former British Ambassador Sir Roger CARRICK 26 Jan 2007 at 
the Australian-Britain Society, attended by the NSW Governor General 
Professor Marie BASHIR.)

1670	The East India Company

From around 1680 the East India Company formed the backbone of the 
English wealth from International Trade

By a series of five acts around 1670, King Charles II provisioned it 
with the rights to autonomous territorial acquisitions, to mint money, 
to command fortresses and troops and form alliances, to make war and 
peace, and to exercise both civil and criminal jurisdiction over the 
acquired areas. 

By 1689, the Company was arguably a "nation" in the Indian mainland, 
independently administering the vast presidencies of Bengal, Madras and 
Bombay and possessing a formidable and intimidating military strength.

From 1698 the company was entitled to use the motto "Auspicio Regis et 
Senatus Angliae" meaning,"Under the patronage of the King and Parliament 
of England".

1688	The Glorious Revolution

In 1688 Parliament invited Mary Stuart and her husband WILLIAM of Orange
to become co-Monarchs of England

The Glorious Revolution was when William of Orange from Holland took the 
English throne from James II in 1688. 

"The event brought a permanent realignment of power within the English
constitution.

The new co-monarchy of King William III and Queen Mary II accepted more 
constraints from Parliament than previous monarchs had, and the new 
constitution created the expectation that future monarchs would also 
remain constrained by Parliament. 

The new balance of power between parliament and crown made the promises
of the English government more credible, and credibility allowed the 
government to reorganize its finances  through a collection of changes 
called 'The Financial Revolution'. 

A more contentious argument is that the constitutional changes made 
property rights more secure and thus promoted economic development."

1692	Massacre at Glencoe

In the meantime the Scots were a perpetual thorn in the side of 
Parliament.

"As early as 1690, Lord Tarbet, (subsequently Earl of Cromarty,)
proposed a scheme for the quieting of the Highlands, which Lord
Breadalbane offered to carry into execution; but it was at the
time abandoned. 

In 1691, however, negotiations were again renewed, and, as has 
been seen, Breadalbane was intrusted with a sum of money to
distribute among the chiefs, or rather to buy up the claims which 
Argyle and other superiors had over their feudal vassals, and which
was the real cause of the strife and dissatisfaction existing in
the Highlands. 

The Secretary of state, Sir John Dalrymple, known as the Master of 
Stair, son of the Earl of Stair, appears latterly to have been at 
the bottom of the scheme, and was certainly most anxious that it 
should be successfully and speedily carried out, having at first 
apparently no thought of resorting to measures of cruel severity. 

As the chiefs did not seem in any hurry to come to terms, a 
proclamation was issued, in August 1691, requiring them to take
the oath of allegiance before the 1st. of January 1692, threatening 
all those who did not comply with "letters of fire and sword." 

This had the proper effect, as, one by one, the chiefs swore fealty 
to the government, Macdonald of Glencoe, from pride or some other 
reason, being the last to comply with the terms of the proclamation.

The difficulty in getting the chiefs to come to terms and thus
allowing the government to pursue its other schemes without anxiety, 
seems at last to have irritated Sir John Dalrymple so much against 
them, that latterly he eagerly desired that some, and especially the
various tribes of Macdonalds, might hold out beyond the time, in 
order that an example might be made of them by putting into execution 
the penalty attached to the non-fulfilment of the terms of the 
proclamation."

The Massacre at Glencoe

1698	The Darien Expedition

Bearing in mind the background to the massacre at Glencoe othermeans 
had to be devised to subdue the Scots.

This was a disastrous attempt by Scotland to establish its own 
trading company to rival the English East India Company.  

The expedition was led by William PATERSON a Scotsman credited with 
being the Founder of the Bank of England in 1694

However who sold Paterson the map of the Darien Isthmus and
who supported him in establishing the Bank of England is
very difficult to track down.

The English and the Dutch are alleged to have withdrawn from 
funding the Darien Expedition so Paterson issued shares that 
could only be purchased by the Scots.

More that 30% of Scotland's entire wealth was used to fund 
the Darien Expedition.

When it failed, the Scots were bankrupt and forced to agree
to the Union of Parliaments with England to form the United
Kingdom 

1707	Scotland and the Union of Parliaments

The failure of the Darien Expedition led to the Union of
Parliaments

The Scottish perspective

"In Scotland, it was claimed that union would enable Scotland to 
recover from the financial disaster wrought by the Darien scheme 
through English assistance and the lifting of measures put in 
place through the Alien Act to force the Scottish Parliament 
into compliance with the Act of Settlement.

The ultimate securing of the treaty in the unicameral Scottish 
Parliament is sometimes attributed to the weakness and lack of 
cohesion between the various opposition groups in the House, 
rather than to the strength of pro-incorporationists. 

The combined votes of the Court party with a majority of the 
Squadrone Volante were sufficient to ensure the final passage 
of the treaty through the House.

Personal financial interests were also involved. 

Many Commissioners had invested heavily in the Darien Scheme 
and they believed that they would receive compensation for
their losses; Article 14, the Equivalent granted £398,085 10s 
sterling to Scotland to offset future liability towards the
English national debt. 

In essence, it was also used as a means of compensation for 
investors in the Darien Scheme.

Even more direct bribery was said to be a factor. 

£20,000 (£240,000 Scots) was dispatched to Scotland for
distribution by the Earl of Glasgow. 

James Douglas, 2nd Duke of Queensberry, the Queen's Commissioner 
in Parliament, received £12,325, the majority of the funding. 

(Other studies suggest that all of this money was properly 
accounted for as compensation for loss of office, pensions and so 
forth not outwith the usual run of government. It is perhaps a 
debate that will never be set to rest.) 

Robert Burns referred to this:

	We were bought and sold for English Gold, 
	Sic a Parcel of Rogues in a Nation. 

Some of the money was used to hire spies, such as Daniel Defoe; 
his first reports were of vivid descriptions of violent
demonstrations against the Union. 

"A Scots rabble is the worst of its kind," he reported, "for 
every Scot n favour there is 99 against".

Years later John Clerk of Penicuik, originally a leading Unionist, 
wrote in his memoirs that, (Defoe) was a spy among us, but not known 
as such, otherwise the Mob of Edinburgh would pull him to pieces. 

Defoe recalls that he was hired by Robert Harley."

It appears that "Political Bribery and Corruption" has changed 
little over the ensuing centuries.
 
1720	South Sea Bubble Act

How the UK Government funded its debt via the South Sea Bubble Act  

"In 1719 the company proposed a scheme by which it would buy more than 
half the national debt of Britain (£30,981,712), again with new shares, 
and a promise to the government that the debt would be converted to a 
lower interest rate, 5% until 1727 and 4% per year thereafter.

The purpose of this conversion was similar to the old one: it would allow 
a conversion of high interest, but difficult to trade debt, into low 
interest, readily marketable debt/shares of the South Sea Company. 

All parties could gain.

For a clarification of the situation the total government debt in 1719
was £50 million:
	£18.3m was held by three large corporations: 
	a	£ 3.4m by the Bank of England. 
	b	£ 3.2m by the British East India Company. 
	c	£11.7m by the South Sea Company. 

Privately held redeemable debt amounted to £16.5m. 

£15m consisted of irredeemable annuities, long fixed-term annuities of 
72-87 years and short annuities of 22 years remaining maturity. 

The Bank of England proposed a similar competing offer, which did not 
prevail when the South Sea raised its bid to £7.5m (plus approximately 
£1.3m in bribes). 

The proposal was accepted in a slightly altered form in April 1720.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer, John Aislabie, was a strong supporter
of the scheme.

Crucial in this conversion was the proportion of holders of irredeemable 
annuities that could be tempted to convert their securities at a high 
price for the new shares. 

(Holders of redeemable debt had effectively no other choice but to 
subscribe.) 

The South Sea Company could set the conversion price but could 
obviously not diverge a lot from the market price of its shares.

The company ultimately acquired 85% of the redeemables and 80% of the 
irredeemables."

The South Sea Bubble company become a form of frenzied Pyramid 
Selling as everyone tried to buy shares

Has anything changed in the 21st century with the Telstra Shares ?

It most certainly has, as the Australian Wheat Board [AWB] has
shown with electronic Invoicing to Iraq !

1812	Saving the English Stockmarket from Bankruptcy

The Rothschild Legend includes a Statement that the Rothschilds saved
the English Stockmarket from Bankruptcy in 1812 after the Battle of
Waterloo between Napoleon and the Duke of Wellington.

However Rothschild actually spread a rumour that Wellington lost !

"So, with everyone believing Wellington to be defeated, Rothschild 
immediately began to sell all of his stock on the English Stock 
Market. 

Everyone else followed his lead, and also began selling, causing stocks
to plummet to practically nothing. 

At the last minute, his agents secretly began buying up the stocks 
at rock-bottom prices. 

On June 21, at 11 PM, Wellington's envoy, Major Henry Percy showed up 
at the War Office with his report that Napoleon had been crushed in a
bitter eight hour battle, losing a third of his men. 

This gave the Rothschild family complete control of the British economy, 
and forced England to set up a new Bank of England, which Nathan 
Rothschild controlled". 

1989	NSW State introduces State Owned Corporations Act

This Act enables the NSW Government to establish Public
Organisations as "State owned Corporations [SoC]" with the 
Premier and Ministers as the shareholders.

The Companies can either be

1	"Company SoC" with the Treasurer and 4 other ministers 
	as shareholders - the Constitution is within the meaning 
	of the Corporations Act 2001 

2	"Statutory SoC" with the Treasurer and 1 other minister 
	as shareholders - THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION FOR
	A STATUTORY SOC - THE WEB PAGES JUST LINK IN A CIRCLE

1993	Local Government Act

The NSW Government  changes its Local Government Act so Councils
become Statutory SOCs

2000	NSW Electronic Transaction Act and the new Economics

Each State introduces its own Electronic Transaction Act

Electronic Trading without having to pay staff is born !

In the US over 80% of Stock Market Share Bids are electronic 
which has created enormous unemployment for on-floor brokers.

In Australia, some State Organisations Bid electronically every 
15 minutes for Electricity.
Eg Central Queensland University Tender 05 Apr 2006

The MBIs {Market Based Instruments} for Natural Resources
like Electricity, Water, Carbon, Sewerage and Volunteers etc
will provide large and regular electronic trading fluctuations.

The Government will receive the GST on each trade.

However who will set the price for Electricity, Carbon, Water, 
Sewerage and Volunteers etc  ?

Is it the Idependent Pricing and Regulation Tribunal ?

Is this why the NSW State Government is now selling off
the Electricity Companies so that the Government will
no longer be responsible for "Market Forces" ?

G	OTHER COUNCILS & CDSE GRANT APPLICATION

a	KSAS-2088 Applications for a Community Development and Support 
	Expenditure Grant [CDSE] to initially fund the awareness campaign 
	in 2008.

	The meeting confirmed 2 separate CDSE Applications
	
	1 	Mosman RSC - Technical Feasibility Study
	2 	Mosman Council - Community Awareness Program

b	Another SHOROC council has requested a paper and invited KSAS-Au
	to give a presentation to the Council

c	Another Sydney Council has invited KSAS-Au to make a submission
	for CDSE and Community funds in 2008

H	MOSMAN COUNCIL CONTACT DETAILS WEBSITE

AER and CRS had completed the initial Mosman Council Contact Website.

This website would provide a record of the questions asked of each 
councillor

I	RESPONSE TO MOSMAN MAYOR RE CODE OF PRACTICE 21 DEC 2007

A letter dated Wed 21 Dec 2007 had been received on Fri 23 Dec 2007 from 
the Mayor Mosman Council re Mosman Code of Meeting Practice.

The response was agreed by attendes on Fri 11 Jan 2007  

X	OIC IE EVENT CREDITS SYSTEM - MEET 8

STAGE: PLANNING MEETING 8

Link to Credits Codes

	MAT	RPT	TET	ART	EAT	FET	MDT	ERT	TOTAL
WPR		10	10	10	10	10	10	10	 70
IGB		10	10	10	10	10	10	10	 70
WRH		10	10	10	10	10	10	10	 70
MJC		10	10	10	20	10	10	10	 70
PMA		10	10	10	20	10	10	10	 70
SGG	40	20	10	10	20	10	40		150

Z	NEXT STEPS

DATE:	Fri 18 Jan 2008		TIME:	17:30 - 18:30

VENUE:	Mosman RSC		STAGE:	Action Plans

	AGENDA							WHO
A	Review Letter to NSW Minister Local Government		WPR/BGH/WRH/CMC/PMA/SGG
B	Confirm meeting schedule				All
C	Review CDSE Applications 				All

Following meeting

DATE:	Fri 25 Jan 2008		TIME:	17:30 - 18:30

VENUE:	Mosman RSC